Sigil: City of Doors

Hey all,

Just trying to decide what I should do with my spell bar for Amber. Strongly considering going back a level and taking Assay Resistance, but I wanted some feedback from some of the others who play mages.


I just took Mord's Disjunction for my first lvl 9 choice, but was considering getting Assay Resistance as well (and taking out Ice Storm).

What do you think? Is it worth it? As an (eventual) lvl 30 caster without the Spell Pen feats (though I do have Spell Pen on a robe she has), will Mord's be enough? Or is Assay worth it against Devils and Shaator's to knock down SR? I'm afraid I may run out of Mord's to lower SR, and Assay could cover that. I'm also thinking that Assay may become obsolete at higher levels, while Ice Storm keeps increasing.

Mord disjunction is bugged, instead of adding +20 max. caster level to the 1d20, it adds as many level as the caster is to the roll, so what you end up with is there's no safe level from disjunction, the higher the caster is, the greater chance of dispelling you.

That said a level 30 mage will still have 50% to dispel you if you are also level 30.

Theoretically if you are facing a monster that has 42+ caster level, you will be stripped off all buffs completely even if you are level 30. I had that experience on a different server so I know pretty well this bug exist...

But... oops, this is about SR, isn't it? Disjunction is more than enough for that, but Assay resistance is only level 4th and does the same effect... without dispel of course, as well as can be quicken, so you can quicken. If you have quickening spell feat, I think it is not a bad choice to go back...

chengc02,Jun 15 2010 wrote: Mord disjunction is bugged, instead of adding +20 max. caster level to the 1d20, it adds as many level as the caster is to the roll, so what you end up with is there's no safe level from disjunction, the higher the caster is, the greater chance of dispelling you.

That said a level 30 mage will still have 50% to dispel you if you are also level 30.

Theoretically if you are facing a monster that has 42+ caster level, you will be stripped off all buffs completely even if you are level 30. I had that experience on a different server so I know pretty well this bug exist...

Gotcha.

I was just wondering though, in regard to PvE, if Mord's will be enough in regard to fighting Shaator's and other enemies with high SR. Would it help to have Assay along with it in case I run out of my 6 or 7 Mord's to cast? I suppose I"m imagining time in Carceri where I'm spell dry of 9th lvl spells and I need to get past their SR. Would Assay help or would it be a waste if my caster lvl is high enough?

It depends entirely on your caster level, caster level 25 will be doing just fine through out the game without needing Mordenkainen Disjunktion / Assay Resistance / Lesser or Greater Spell Breach... unless you're playing warlock (whom has only half caster level to penetrate spell resistance)

Shators really have more of Spell Mantles that drains spells and less so of spell resistance that would be draining magic. I'd personally suggest wand of lesser spell penetration more myself.

Mr_Otyugh,Jun 15 2010 wrote: It depends entirely on your caster level, caster level 25 will be doing just fine through out the game without needing Mordenkainen Disjunktion / Assay Resistance / Lesser or Greater Spell Breach... unless you're playing warlock (whom has only half caster level to penetrate spell resistance)

Shators really have more of Spell Mantles that drains spells and less so of spell resistance that would be draining magic. I'd personally suggest wand of lesser spell penetration more myself.

Mr. O,

Do you mean wand of Lesser Spell Breach?

Yeah I do. Got mixed up with the whole penetration and breach thing :P

Mr_Otyugh,Jun 15 2010 wrote: Yeah I do. Got mixed up with the whole penetration and breach thing :P

Cool, so it sounds like after lvl 25 ish, bypassing SR won't be an issue. And if it is, Mord's can take of it on the rare occasions I can't get past it (or even a wand of Spell Breach can lower SR temporarily).

I still may go back and tweak my last choice. Ice storm is tempting because it doesn't have a level cap and there's no save, but I'm considering others as well... Hmm.

Thanks, everyone! -JPD

My level 19 caster with a feat = 23 uses mords on the bosses in the abyss then pimp slaps them with spells.