Why Where The Giants Changed In Such A Way?

[*orcy11]

I am asking why where the giant races stat's changed in a way where it does not fit them lore wise I play rexxer killgore and he easily has 10 int and gets his max strength using rage and frenzy despite the +4 but the thing is are ogres suppose to be dumb anyway why change that about them and also I honestly would rather the old ogre from 3.5 with my build.

[*Strawberry Jam]

Frost and fire giants get +14 str and +7 con and +7 AC and a free feat for 3 ECL and 7 levels?

[*FiveWhats]

That has nothing to do with ogres, Jam.

[*Alersia]

No idea but I agree, they shouldnt have 10 int.

It was propably done to lower their level adjustment and dont (+4 str) make them overpowered.

[*Ceremorph]

Orcy, have you been absent a long time? Because ogres were changed like in... December I think? Your existing character should not have changed at all however, as entirely new race was made rather than changes to the old one.

There's no intelligence adjustment on the new Ogre. You should be able to lower your Int to 8 if you want.

In addition, new ogres who take a level in either barbarian or frezerker qualify for the new Savage Marauder racial prestige class: http://sigil-nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Savage ... tige_Class)

[*Whitefly]

NO OGER NOT WEAK OGER STROG GOT FORE OF STRANGTHS FROM RASE AND FREE MORE FORM SAVAGE MARADARAR RASIAL PRESTIG CLASE - DAT IS SIX... NO... SEVUN STRANGTHS

ALSO HAS FIVE ACS

ALSO HAS FREE CONSTUITONS

ALSO BETTER ANGRY


IS NEW WAY OF DOIG NOT UDNERSTAD MESELF BUT IS FOR DESE ECLS FINGS



Translation:

In total, ogres receive +7 strength, +3 constitution, +5 AC and bonus rage feats from the savage marauder racial prestige class, which is uniquely available to savage giant races. This is part of the ECL changes that are presently being made to the server, and is largely to the ogre's benefit. As Cere says, you can still give yourself 8 intelligence and roleplay being as thick as a post! :3

[*orcy11]

Oh I am well aware I can lower my int to 8 still but there was really no where the 2 points could have gone then my str would be uneven anyway and since the max bonus is +12 which I get from rage and frenzy he gets 46 str when he does so but I mean the lore of ogres not the builds I feel it does not make sense is all for the lore that they where changed in such a way including the other giants too is all I meant, change what you want I just wondered if there was a reason for doing so. xD and my build does use savage :D, Also the whole int thing 8 int is not has dumb has 4 int LOL

[*Strawberry Jam]

I mean I guess the reason is some kind of balance thing. From many of the race changes you can see the builders have ideas about ability bonuses and penalties that differ from the D&D design. There are quite a few high strength races tho, ogre seems mid way, and alas now smarter than they look?

[*Ceremorph]

Plain and simple: PnP does not translate perfectly to NWN2. What is perfectly designed to fit a certain level adjustment there may be hideously overpowered (Khaasta) or utterly useless (old Giants). The new system of races and racial PrCs is designed to do three things: max out racial LA at +3, move poorly designed races to templates where appropriate, and allow for the further gain of PnP abilities through race-specific PRCs without adding further LA.

Or in a nutshell, yes, it's about balance.

Orcy, I'm not really sure what you're saying about lore in that run-on sentence above.

Ogres are big, ugly, greedy creatures that live by raiding and scavenging. They join other monsters to prey on the weak and associate freely with ogre mages, giants, and trolls.

Sounds like an ogre to me...

[*Whitefly]

You know 4 int is +1 modifier above a dog, right? Like... your intelligence is literally dog +1.