Which Faction Do You Play?

[*Taihou]

Polearms or other unwieldy weapons aren't really a valid exception in a city where bags of holding are so easily obtainable. It's kind of a ridiculous and pointless argument.

absolutely not an excuse. Laws should ney expect one to obtain them. If I RP that my character has no such bag, means he has no and end of story.

Especially if we speak of some poor warrior monk, who has given oath of living in poverty, while helping others.

TBH, I would at all consider those bags an OOC feature, that is implemented ONLY to suit game mechanics, and not make an IC story out of those bags.


No nonsense please, thou... YES, THOU!
All guards who would not act like sane people shall be treated like they deserve - as empty space.

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Law doesn't require you to obtain a bag, law requires that you do not wield weapons publicly. The how people sort it out, doesn't concern people who observe the laws, that is the problem of the individual to solve. Their own lack of foresight doesn't excuse them from the law.

[*Vandole]

I've never aligned in any faction officially with any of my characters. I've never played a Harm, but... doing guard duty is either A boring as !#(% or B The problem you were waiting for. it's really about expectations, right?

[*Mick64]

In return I think it's only fair that there are areas where laws are being observed and agreed upon to be observed... and the most public locations of middle wage denizens would definitely be among some the most frequented by any sort of lawful organizations.

I mean, the Market is HQ to the Indeps, which have Harmonium as their listed enemy... we're not exactly talking about Hardhead-friendly territory here. Even more so considering IG events in the server's timeline.

Law doesn't require you to obtain a bag, law requires that you do not wield weapons publicly. The how people sort it out, doesn't concern people who observe the laws, that is the problem of the individual to solve. Their own lack of foresight doesn't excuse them from the law.

And this is exactly why Hardheads aren't liked. A rigid, unwavering and to-the-letter application of the law without compassion or compromise. A very LE / LN view of the law.

[*KittyEmpress]

In return I think it's only fair that there are areas where laws are being observed and agreed upon to be observed... and the most public locations of middle wage denizens would definitely be among some the most frequented by any sort of lawful organizations.

I mean, the Market is HQ to the Indeps, which have Harmonium as their listed enemy... we're not exactly talking about Hardhead-friendly territory here. Even more so considering IG events in the server's timeline.

Law doesn't require you to obtain a bag, law requires that you do not wield weapons publicly. The how people sort it out, doesn't concern people who observe the laws, that is the problem of the individual to solve. Their own lack of foresight doesn't excuse them from the law.

And this is exactly why Hardheads aren't liked. A rigid, unwavering and to-the-letter application of the law without compassion or compromise. A very LE / LN view of the law.

The market isn't anyone's HQ. It's unofficially where the, unofficial non-existant faction, Independents meet. It is not headed by any organization, because the indeps do not exist as an organization, they do not have the rights of a faction, and attempts to make them have such have been met unilaterally with 'then we lose the whole point of being indeps'.



And if someone is too dumb to leave their spears at home, or attach some way to carry them over their shoulder, or buy a bag of holding, then yes, they should be fined for having their weapon out, and if the person continued to refuse to put it away, confiscate the weapon.

It's not that hard. It's pretty damn easy. There's no 'lawful evil' about saying 'haha no, you have to put your weapon away, if you can't easily sheathe it, find somewhere to stow it'



Taihou - what you 'consider' as existing OOCly or ICly doesn't matter, because the bags of holding exist IC. Whether you like them or not, they are real, people sell them for cheap and if you're playing a warrior monk with a vow of poverty, well, I guess you can just replace your 1gp cost spear when it gets confiscated, because obviously you can't have enchanted weapons or armor or anything with that vow of poverty. Makes it cheap to replace, at least!

[*Mr_Otyugh]

If only it was a setting where magic was in abundance that could help to store over sized weapons with ease. That'd be swell. Or if only people with oversized weapons would learn from being told by once and then realize "okay next time I need to have something to sort it out" or if only they came up with a compromise "Sorry, I didn't know, I'll find a way to make that possible". All of this would probably be acceptable to a Hardhead, I know all except one of mine would find it acceptable, but the last one was an anarchist trying to make them hated to begin with... do you see where I'm getting again? Nobody wants to even try to make a compromise, but one of the sides are trying to enforce the laws which the others are unwilling in any shape or form to comply with.

Besides since when are any sort of lawful organization forced to handhold people to do basic things that requires least bit of thinking on their own? It's not their job, they aren't every citizens mothers or fathers telling them how to be a functional adult with cognitive capabilities of their own. They care about problem going away, and as soon as the opposing side isn't trying to find ways to accommodate, the weapon on hands is increasingly becoming less of a problem, and the person holding the weapon is starting to seem more like one.

[*Sinlinara]

Hello. I play a character that likes the Harmonium and is at times supportive of them. They're pretty swell right up until they start trying to get others to conform through force. Then heads are butted, and RP is had. \ o /

[*KittyEmpress]

I mean I played a Khaasta named Frahara who intentionally would stand around with a weapon out, get accosted by the harmonium, hand over their unenchanted weapon when told to, then pull out another one from their bag of holding, because Frahara was a Xao who had too much fun messing with lobsters.


One day, she gave the harmonium a donation of 27 unenchanted weapons. He was not super amused, she was very apologetic, and then pulled out the 28th, and he just walked away.

[*Vandole]

Shouldn't repeat offenders be jailed? (regardless of intent)

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Well just imagine how much problem it tends to be to get people to sheath their weapons... now try to arrest them. :P