Disclaimer For Large Folk

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*rapsam2003
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Posted by *rapsam2003 »


Strawberry Jam,Jun 16 2016 wrote: You could also play a huge dragon that does not spend their proud time in the most busy and hectic and densely populated market ward of a densely populated humanoid filled metropolis.
Or even be off to the side. On several occasions, I have seen Junathoraxus (b00seven's bronze dragon) off to the side of the bazaar, completely out of the way. He has large size, but he never stands in the middle of Khazeet's while in dragon form. He stands off to the side, near the odd worm that smokes "the good weed". And Juna sells stuff there, without interfering with any other PC.
*Neethanial
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Posted by *Neethanial »


I agree. A bronze dragon sitting in a filthy sewage ditch and out of the way isn't rubbing anyone the wrong way, even if it seems like of low for a bronze to stoop to doing so.
Druid Dragon shape is naturally Large.
This isn't an "unwritten rule". There have been several threads covering it, including staff decision on it, as well as a log-in server message telling you not to do it. There's nothing unwritten about this.
PnP dragons don't all have humanoid form. They were ALL given humanoid form specifically for the purpose of not being around the bazaar taking up half the screen.
Large and smaller is totally fine. Half the models on the server are already large anyhow. Anything medium sized with wings, werewolf beast form, etc.
*Godolia il Magus
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Posted by *Godolia il Magus »


Neethanial,Jun 16 2016 wrote: This isn't an "unwritten rule". There have been several threads covering it, including staff decision on it, as well as a log-in server message telling you not to do it. There's nothing unwritten about this.
I've never entered the server or read the topics describing the decisions about it, that's the reason I've written it was unwritten (for me :D ); in any case it would have been, even if the topics and the log-in server were missing, an unspoken rule dictated by good sense. :)
*rapsam2003
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Posted by *rapsam2003 »


Godolia il Magus,Jun 16 2016 wrote: I've never entered the server or read the topics describing the decisions about it, that's the reason I've written it was unwritten (for me :D ); in any case it would have been, even if the topics and the log-in server were missing, an unspoken rule dictated by good sense. :)
It's polite if nothing else. A bigass dragon sitting in the bench area at Khazeet's, for example? He blocks most of walkway. He could completely avoid blocking the walkway by simply using his alternate form.

Heh, I seem to recall, upon login...there's a message for large characters...
*Neethanial
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Posted by *Neethanial »


In fairness, there are a couple log in messages. Not everyone is going to scroll up to read everything that pops up. It makes sense to be overlooked from time to time.
*Strawberry Jam
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Posted by *Strawberry Jam »


You could also play a huge dragon that does not spend their proud time in the most busy and hectic and densely populated market ward of a densely populated humanoid filled metropolis.

There is one or two actual dragons in Sigil lore but they aren't noted for being well known and in everyones view each day.

I also hope if they add dryads people wont start plopping down tree placeables and treants as urban nature vigilantes. Because that sounds like what they would do in lore.
*Lucadia
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Posted by *Lucadia »


All races are being reduced to 3 ecl or less for completion of the project from my understanding. Adding more ecl is not going stop players from using the large dragon size when they been kindly asked over and over to not use it in certain areas for courtesy reasons.
*Taihou
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Posted by *Taihou »


cryptc,Jun 16 2016 wrote:
Taihou,Jun 16 2016 wrote: Being large in Lady's eyes is not a crime. Lady takes action ONLY when
And I challenge a huge dragon to walk through the crowded great bazaar without causing destruction of property or killing people, the first which can (eventually) get the wrath of the lady and the latter which would (quickly) get the attention of the Indeps and Harmonium.

Maybe we need to add more wandering npcs to just be in the way, and have them die if nudged by large races.
Well, let us nay speculate about how much Lady cares about broken benches and stuff. In Sigil's scales, it does not decide anything and Dabus would repair that even before one notices.

We have all those pring... I mean fey attacks, that adventurers have to deal with on regular basis and no-one got flayed or mazed, as it seems. At least DMs did not state, it happened to any of attackers a single time.

Harmonium and indeps is of course another story. It is completely agreeable, that dragon would come to city to do business, rather that crash stalls and benches. Thus he would probably assume the form, he would be the most comfortable with.

As one may had noticed, I never played anything bigger than Kuro (who is the same size as average wervolf in wolf form), but I feel as my moral duty to say few words in defence of those, who do, because I appreciate having such characters around.

I never had seen anyone maliciously blocking passways, even though my characters hang around in Bazaar and other populated areas of Sigil constantly and thus, I would strongly agitate against any repressive measures towards dragons and other large species.
*shadowblizmasta
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Posted by *shadowblizmasta »


I think part of the problem lies in how the RP areas have gotten more and more closed in and cluttered over the years. It was a further nail in the coffin for my druid who spent all his time in dragon shape when every single space he used to be able to sit in range of the majority of the RP without being in the way had been closed up and cluttered up. I know there's no way they are getting redesigned again, since area design in NWN2 is hugely difficult.
*Strawberry Jam
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Posted by *Strawberry Jam »


The city is assumed to be very cluttered. If you have ever been to a real bazaar or open air market you would know there is very little space for a human to walk around or dawdle. Sigil's bazaar is the largest and most crowded in all of the multiverse. You can say the area is not cluttered enough for what it represents.

But I would imagine if you are a dragon and you want business the form you are comfortable with is not the one that blocks out 5 other stalls, congests the crowd flow, and stops the merchant from getting more customers.
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