Terrible Woes Of Playing A Fighter On Sigil

[*Tomekk]

'My idea of how to play is better than yours' - The Thread :rolleyes:

...think it has served its purpose, no?

[*Godolia il Magus]

we have freedom to create interesting characters at least to ourselves and if other people don't like it they can pike off.

Pun Pun(tm) awaits you.

[*rapsam2003]

Ah think tha problem is that we just don't see how adding in restrictions on power building's gonna help RP.

I suggest re-reading points #5 & #6:

5. Dedication bonuses.
Kind of the reverse of #4, and even something that could go hand-in-hand with it, this would dole out notable bonuses for those who build within a theme. For example, if all of your levels are within a certain archetype (all melee, all stealth, all divine) or a specific combination (arcane/stealth).

6. Diversification bonuses.
A little wackier, this would provided bonuses to those who actually make a point to go halvsies on very diverse archetypes. A character with no wider than a 60/40 split between divine and stealth, for example. A reason to go outside the comfort zone of "I need X levels to be undispallable and X DC on my avasculate to beat the Hellfire Erinyes".

[*Tomekk]

we have freedom to create interesting characters at least to ourselves and if other people don't like it they can pike off.

Pun Pun(tm) awaits you.

If your DM is retarded enough to allow Pun Pun, its not the game's problem... it's your DM is being a retard.

[*Mr_Otyugh]

To me it's not really about powerbuilding, and balance is a subtext that's holding things together. To me it's about designing. When some aspects of the game are holding designing new features back, that to me is a problem. Whenever new spells/invocations/powers, items, feats, classes or races are designed, you have to keep in mind everything that could in combination break them.

Also generally speaking, it's probably best if everyone takes a step back from this thread. ;) No one's winning anything by making it personal. Servers aren't made as a hivemind, they're made as a combination of ideas, so no... there's no dangerous ideas for the server, after all the staff will decide the direction regardless, only behavior that can decrease the general level of fun is dangerous for the server.

[*Godolia il Magus]

If your DM is retarded enough to allow Pun Pun, its not the game's problem... it's your DM is being a retard.

1 - I was pulling legs a bit :lol:
2 - Eventually and theorically speaking, not running for cover whenever there are huge exploits available (and I'm generically speaking of every situation), is practically equal to allowing Pun Pun.
3 - There are various shades of 'tardness. Some allow Pun Pun, some others have more decency and give +10 weapons in a level 1-5 campaign.

[*Jelkia]

Ah campaign where all yer players are doin Pun Pun could be alright. The DM could have ah lot of neat an wacky challenges ta throw at tha players an see how they handle 'em. The game becomes fun based on -how to- and not -able to- That's tha kinda campaign where hilarious antics can easily make it ah ton ah fun. ^.^

[*rapsam2003]

But you have to keep in mind what kind of server you are on and what is the general goal of the server. For SCOD, it's obviously RP.

That's tha goal.. but that aint all there is ta tha server. Sigil's tha only server where ya can play some ah these fun an wacky races. Its neat ta build with em an see whatcha can do.

The wacky races are PART of RP. Playing to a race's strengths is part of RP.

I highly doubt that the SCOD staff will shoot themselves in the proverbial foot and ruin that aspect. All that's going to change is the fun in the ability to make powerbuilds. Really, this kind of design philosophy (rewarding RP-based builds over powerbuilds) should actually result in more diverse and fun builds across the server.

Honestly, I don't know how many times people on this forum have said things like, "Well, that build isn't as powerful". And I've just been here for less than 2 weeks. The goal should NOT be getting the most power. In fact, power should be a secondary concern, because the idea is that one will be joining a party anyway. By emphasizing RP over power, you reinforce the idea of RP'ing as one's class.

Finally, to address this point directly:

Why not let those folks build an play and enjoy ah major part ah 3.5? And were talking about maybe making rules against that sorta play.. so it aint ah live an let live sorta discussion. 

They still can make that kind of build. As was already stated by Ceremorph, the DMs won't be going around punishing for folks making a powerbuild. What will happen is that scripts will reward folks who tend to fulfill points #5 & #6. (You can reread that stuff yourself.) There will be nothing preventing you from doing a Favored Soul 18/Stormlord 10/Cleric 1/Shadowdancer 1 build. However, you won't see as much of a reward from it as you would have prior to the (potential) implementation of points #5 & #6.

It most certainly is a "live & let live" deal. But the best way to encourage the kind of behavior you want on your server, in this case RP...is to reward folks who actually RP.

[*Strawberry Jam]

Curious things about all of these is that usually anything deemed "too powerful" tends to be the reason which is holding changes back, because in making additions, you need to keep the extremes in mind. That is practically exchanging cheese to valid options, rather than "nerfing".

It is a lil curious. At first it's all about disliking casters for making melee redundant, now it's all about praising the right to gish. All I know is that out of this entire exchange gish cleric will come out on top as it has always been, and will always be

[*rapsam2003]

At first it's all about disliking casters for making melee redundant, now it's all about praising the right to gish.

I mean, this thread is practically the poster child of "What do people actually want?!" :lol: :lol: